{"id":90333,"date":"2024-08-22T21:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-08-22T20:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/weareactors.com\/?p=90333"},"modified":"2024-08-23T14:32:52","modified_gmt":"2024-08-23T13:32:52","slug":"jason-schwartzman-is-the-american-jean-pierre-leaud-the-actor-on-between-the-temples-queer-and-the-coppola-dynasty","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/weareactors.com\/jason-schwartzman-is-the-american-jean-pierre-leaud-the-actor-on-between-the-temples-queer-and-the-coppola-dynasty\/","title":{"rendered":"Jason Schwartzman Is the American Jean-Pierre L\u00e9aud: The Actor on \u2018Between the Temples,\u2019 \u2018Queer,\u2019 and the Coppola Dynasty"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jason Schwartzman<\/a>\u2019s been a totemic figure so long it can be hard to separate player from part. Beginning as idol of teenage rebellion Max Fischer in Wes Anderson\u2019s \u201cRushmore,\u201d<\/a> the actor\u2019s spent a quarter-century inhabiting numerous types \u2014 stuffy writers, disgruntled husbands, mourning widows, drug addicts, a bumping PI on HBO\u2019s perpetually ill-appreciated \u201cBored to Death\u201d \u2014 that have doubled as progressions of professional versatility and real-life aging.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Like Jean-Pierre L\u00e9aud before him, Schwartzman is seemingly now cast for the weight his name and visage can carry. (Look no further than the brilliant, self-lampooning episode of \u201cTim and Eric\u2019s Bedtime Stories.\u201d) This sequence continues with \u201cBetween the Temples<\/a>,\u201d which finds him playing Benjamin, a cantor whose mourning for his deceased wife finds focus in sessions with Carla (Carol Kane), a fellow widow who decides now\u2019s high time to receive the Bat Mitzvah she missed 60-or-so years prior. A brilliantly shaped scriptment from Nathan Silver and C. Mason Wells makes ideal scene partners of the two \u2014 they form one of cinema\u2019s snuggest odd couples<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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IndieWire sat down with Schwartzman in New York, discussing \u201cBetween the Temples<\/a>\u201d amidst inquiries into and observations on his remarkable career, and began with a discussion of his uncle Francis Ford Coppola\u2019s book \u201cLive Cinema and Its Techniques.\u201d<\/p>\n

This interview has been condensed and edited for clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n

IndieWire: While prepping this interview I was reading this book. [Pulls out \u201cLive Cinema and Its Techniques.\u201d]<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jason Schwartzman:<\/strong> Oh, wow. Oh, wow<\/em>. That\u2019s so funny<\/em>. This is a great book.<\/p>\n

Oh, so you\u2019ve read it.<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, I\u2019ve read it. It\u2019s fantastic.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m really enjoying it. Suitable \u201cMegalopolis\u201d prep.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, this is like\u2026 [taps book] Really it\u2019s like theater, which he loves.<\/p>\n

You come from maybe the great, preeminent artistic American family.<\/strong><\/p>\n

[Pause] Mmm\u2026<\/p>\n

Well, it\u2019s pretty good.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

And being in this big artists\u2019 family, is there some expectation that everybody is watching, listening to, reading everybody else\u2019s work?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Do you mean now, in the present tense, as I\u2019ve gotten older, or do you mean as you\u2019re younger?<\/p>\n

Maybe both. Like if you, growing up, had nights where you watched \u201cYou\u2019re a Big Boy Now\u201d or discovered them in your own time.<\/strong><\/p>\n

[Points finger]<\/p>\n

The latter.<\/strong><\/p>\n

That one. Yeah. [Laughs] If this means anything, I didn\u2019t see \u201cThe Godfather\u201d until I was 17. I don\u2019t know why. But I guess I was into\u2026 I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

Spending 16 shooting \u201cRushmore\u201d is a great excuse for not seeing \u201cThe Godfather\u201d until you were 17.<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, no, I had seen it before I shot \u201cRushmore.\u201d So I guess I saw it when I was 16 \u2026 Are you asking about sharing ideas and that type of thing? Because I like your question; I want to give you an interesting answer. That\u2019s a good question.<\/p>\n

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It\u2019s honestly less romantic than that. If, when \u201cPriscilla\u201d comes out, it\u2019s expected you\u2019ll go see that. There\u2019s a burden of expectation on you.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t feel a burden of expectation, but I feel that I want to see it. And I did. And I loved it\u2026 I mean, I went and saw \u201cLonglegs\u201d the day it came out because I\u2019m a fan of my cousin Nicolas [Cage]\u2019s work, and I love to see where he\u2019s at. As I would be with any person I\u2019m a fan of. To me \u2014 and maybe this is nuts \u2014 just in the way you can learn so much about someone from the book they have in their bag, seeing a movie of anybody, it\u2019s kind of like that\u2019s where they\u2019re at.<\/p>\n

I know it\u2019s a collaborative process and not just the actor\u2019s complete\u2026 you know, it\u2019s edited, it\u2019s worked on, it\u2019s a collaborative thing. That\u2019s what I love about a new album coming out and going to see a new movie by someone. Because I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat are they going to do next? Where are they at now?\u201d Not that I don\u2019t also speak to my family personally, but I think there\u2019s something else that, if you\u2019re a fan of someone, you can only really get from seeing their work. Especially something like \u201cPriscilla\u201d: [Sofia Coppola has] written and directed this thing. I want to know about where she\u2019s at and what she\u2019s thinking about. What she\u2019s interested in. What she wants to film<\/a>. Where the camera\u2019s going.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s just that kind of thing. So there\u2019s no expectation other than just the respect that I feel for her \u2014 specifically, in that example. And it\u2019s hard<\/em> to make a movie, and I want to know how it goes. It\u2019s not like I\u2019m getting updates. I know she\u2019s making this movie. But I want to see what she\u2019s been doing, but it\u2019s not required. And my feelings certainly don\u2019t get hurt if no one sees mine.<\/p>\n

You weren\u2019t calling them every week asking if they watched \u201cBored to Death.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

I could say almost the opposite. \u201cPlease, don\u2019t watch anything.\u201d I don\u2019t like the imposition. There are so many things to see and do, and everyone\u2019s so busy, I\u2019m not telling people. If they find it, they find it. I\u2019m not telling anyone about it. [Laughs]<\/p>\n

My microscopic version is that, when I write something new, it\u2019s just\u2026 please leave me alone.<\/strong><\/p>\n

That\u2019s the thing: That\u2019s just your family. It\u2019s so embarrassing. [Laughs] But that said, I\u2019m trying as hard as I can. Everyone\u2019s busy. It sounds like you and I are a little similar; I have a thing where I don\u2019t want to bug anyone. But that can, as time goes on, I realize be interpreted as \u201cyou don\u2019t care.\u201d The truth is: You really care. You just don\u2019t want to also\u2026 not inconvenience\u2026<\/p>\n

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To people my age, you\u2019re a totemic figure. I watched \u201cRushmore\u201d when I was 16 \u2014 great movie then, great movie now, but the perfect age to discover it. My friends and I saw ourselves in Max Fischer \u2014 for better and worse \u2014 while around that time \u201cBored to Death\u201d premiered, and it was such a vision of what our lives as adults in Brooklyn could be.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Right. Right, right, right.<\/p>\n

Then \u201cListen Up Philip\u201d comes out when I\u2019m a senior in college. Its irascible-intellectual character fascinates even as you try to heed the movie\u2019s warnings. And in the last two years it\u2019s been \u201cAsteroid City\u201d and \u201cBetween the Temples,\u201d both of which I found very moving for underlining how long I\u2019ve been watching you onscreen.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mmm. Thank you \u2014 very much.<\/p>\n

The comparison I make \u2014 which hopefully you don\u2019t blanche at too much \u2014 is that you\u2019re the American Jean-Pierre L\u00e9aud.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oh, my. Don\u2019t say that. But he\u2019s my guy \u2026 Yesterday I did a thing for MUBI. I talked about \u201cStolen Kisses,\u201d and I said he\u2019s my favorite actor, and I actually have a signed poster, to me, from Jean-Pierre L\u00e9aud. It\u2019s the greatest possession. It says, \u201cTo Jason \u2014 Jean-Pierre L\u00e9aud.\u201d I didn\u2019t get it; someone got it for me as a gift. It\u2019s, like, the greatest thing. I can\u2019t believe it. Part of me still believes they just got it signed for a generic \u201cJason\u201d and they got it to me, but \u2014 nonetheless.<\/p>\n

He\u2019s also now cast for the living history that is. \u201cBiography\u201d is a big word to use, but in a quarter-century you\u2019ve gone from precocious teen to, twice, a widower.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nathan [Silver] was not happy about that, by the way. In the middle of while we were making [\u201cBetween the Temples\u201d], he said, \u201cWhat? You\u2019re a widower in \u2018Asteroid City.\u201d<\/a> \u201cYeah.\u201d \u201cBut you\u2019re a widower in this.\u201d I started thinking, \u201cWell, how many things can you\u2026 be?\u201d If you\u2019re gonna try to act in stuff, there\u2019s only so many things that can happen to you.<\/p>\n

In the span of your career, do you see yourself as having a kind of onscreen narrative?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Of my own life? Not really \u2026 Keep going with the question a little bit, because I want to get it right. I think there\u2019s two versions of an answer. Like, am I aware<\/em> of it?<\/p>\n

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If there\u2019s a progression of a lifetime onscreen that you\u2019ve lived, and if there\u2019s interest in continuing to play roles that are not <\/strong>literally<\/em><\/strong> your own biography, but they comprise a certain span of human experience.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Is there something that connects them, in a way, to my human experience? Well, first of all: I don\u2019t spend too much time thinking about [it]. I haven\u2019t seen a lot of these movies in a long time. It\u2019s funny, because I was talking to Carol [Kane] about this. I\u2019ve never really been in a position where I know what I\u2019m going to do next. It\u2019s so hard [laughs] to get in a movie. And then for a movie to get made, as you know, so many little things have to go right. Like I say: I think, over the years, I\u2019ve never been in a situation where I knew what I was going to do while I was doing another thing. In a way, each project has really been its own standalone experience, and I really have tried \u2014 when I work, on a technical level \u2014 to pretend this is the first movie I\u2019ve done. I try to bring my experience, but I don\u2019t try to get hung up on something being done differently.<\/p>\n

I feel like a lot of people get upset on set. \u201cWell, it wasn\u2019t like this on my other thing.\u201d And I just sort of think, \u201cRight. Because this is how we do it \u2014 this one.\u201d So I try not to hold onto any things like that, in terms of the way it\u2019s done \u2014 the process. I just go, \u201cThis is how this one\u2019s being done.\u201d So: no. But I will say that I think when I look back \u2014 even just looking back on this movie \u2014 I see, to do this movie, Nathan and I have been talking about it for so long. He was like, \u201cThis character talks slowly. And he moves slowly. And he\u2019s really inert. And he\u2019s just moping.\u201d I think that, looking back, I think that I stopped moving<\/em> a lot before making this movie and going in the sun. Like, when I look at myself in the movie, I see an inert person. You know what I mean?<\/p>\n

Absolutely.<\/strong><\/p>\n

And I see this lack of energy. It\u2019s weird. Each thing is kind of like, it becomes like a biography. I can look at it and remember how I felt at the time, when I see a movie. I remember how I felt or what I was listening to.<\/p>\n

They are interesting in that way, where they do chart<\/em> my personal experience. Even if the movies aren\u2019t biographical, they are personal <\/em>in that they are who I was, in a way, behind them. So that\u2019s been interesting to think about. Just in the way that you look back and you see a photo, and you see yourself in a t-shirt and go, \u201cOh, my God. I guess that guy wore that shirt.\u201d You know what I mean?<\/p>\n

I think, as you get older, you\u2019re not even thinking about it, really \u2014 it just begins to happen. It\u2019s just, like, there becomes a record of you, and that becomes your quote-unquote \u201clife.\u201d<\/p>\n

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I think that\u2019s a much better way of framing my question.<\/strong><\/p>\n

But I will<\/em> say one thing: This was the first movie I ever did where I knew I was going to do another movie right after. The Luca Guadagnino. And in [\u201cQueer\u201d], my character is very much the opposite \u2014 very, just, full of exuberance \u2014 and I think it was interesting. Because I think of them as being, even though they\u2019re totally unrelated, as being related. Because I knew I was going to get to be so exuberant in that movie, I knew I was just going to commit to holding it back on this one. Because I\u2019m just going to put all the eggs in the basket of this guy, here, and that was kind of cool. It was interesting. I\u2019d never done that before.<\/p>\n

I talked to [\u201cBetween the Temples\u201d screenwriter] C. Mason Wells a couple weeks ago. He raved about you as a brilliant writer.<\/strong> But you, as a writer, tend to work collaboratively.<\/strong> And you only have one directing credit \u2014 an episode of \u201cMozart in the Jungle.\u201d I wonder if there are ambitions to go more into either \u2014 solo as a writer, longer-length as a director.<\/strong><\/p>\n

You know, it\u2019s funny. You\u2019ll do something on your phone, and someone looks at it and goes, \u201cYou gotta be a director!\u201d You\u2019re like, \u201cWhy? Because I made this video on my phone? That\u2019s not a movie.\u201d I love<\/em> to make things, and I love to film things and I love stories.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve made a lot of music.<\/strong><\/p>\n

And I love music. If there was something that I could direct that I\u2019m like, \u201cI would love to do that.\u201d But that hasn\u2019t\u2026 I also feel like there\u2019s a lot of people making movies, and there seems to be this thing of like, \u201cOh, you should make a movie.\u201d No<\/em>. You shouldn\u2019t just \u201cmake a movie.\u201d [Laughs] I don\u2019t know. Why? Also, I don\u2019t know if it comes from being, initially, a drummer, but I like being part of the\u2026 group. Like, I always played teen sports growing up. I never played tennis; I played baseball. I love the collaboration of sports. But writing<\/em>, for sure. And for me, collaborating is more fun because I already know what I\u2019m thinking. It\u2019s so much more fun to hear what someone else is thinking based on\u2026 like, I always prefer conversations when they spin out of control, and it\u2019s hard to spin out of control off yourself. Although, I\u2019ve tried to do it. Actually, I had my radio show on Sirius XMU, and I used to do a lot of the episodes where I would record four of myself, and I would just talk to myself, and that was really fun, actually. Kind of cathartic.<\/p>\n

But I would love to direct something. I have some ideas for things. But at the end of the day, it\u2019s kind of weird. Because when I directed \u201cMozart in the Jungle,\u201d I fucking loved it. But I will also say that it\u2019s weird, as an actor, to give a note to Gael Garc\u00eda Bernal. He would do a take, and I\u2019m like, \u201c\u2026OK. So should we just go?\u201d Who am I to be like, \u201cCan you try\u2026?\u201d It\u2019s weird because then I\u2019m like, \u201cThat\u2019s how I would think I would do it. I like how he would do it.\u201d But I would love<\/em> to direct something. I\u2019d love to co-direct something! Even though you\u2019re talking about solo, I think co-directing would be really<\/em> fun to do. But what I\u2019ve kind of learned, the more I\u2019m watching someone: Most people<\/em> are co-directing, anyway. Just the input from everybody is so essential. Everyone\u2019s kind of co-directing \u2014 except some people.<\/p>\n

In other words: It is such a collaborative thing, and I think as I\u2019ve gotten older, maybe I was just held back; maybe there was a lot of fear. But I don\u2019t know. I\u2019d love to tell the story. But what\u2019s the story? I don\u2019t know. I\u2019ve always been so envious of people that know the thing<\/em>. Spoon put out its demos of the \u201cThey Want My Soul\u201d album. I was just listening to the demos \u2014 Britt Daniel\u2019s home demos \u2014 and I\u2019m like, \u201cHow did he know that\u2019s the\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

I understand this too well.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cHow did he know that\u2019s gonna be the one to work on that\u2019s gonna become that?\u201d It\u2019s so hard<\/em>. That\u2019s what\u2019s impressive about anyone who makes something: the decision to spend the time on it. That\u2019s the baffling thing. And I\u2019ve kind of gotten away with it, for better or for worse: kind of<\/em> liking it when my decision gets made. I love when there\u2019s a storm and you can\u2019t leave your house. So if there could be a creative version of that [laughs], it would be nice.<\/p>\n

\u201cBetween the Temples\u201d opens in theaters from Sony Pictures Classics on Friday, August 23.<\/em><\/p>\n

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